my F#$%ing bad Night

EB_5.0_WAGON · 28-06-2005, 10:30 PM

my bad nite happened tonite when a stupid 19yr old female decided to stop in the middle of a road whilst making a left hand turn because a dog ran out in front of her.

I was following her but was about 15mtrs behind her on a wet road doing just under 60kmh. She was turning left into a side street so i slowed down. Next thing i know she is stationary in the middle of the road so i slam on the brakes and slide straight into her.

Needles to say im not a happy camper.

Nudge

dogbreath_48 · 28-06-2005, 10:37 PM

Dog woulda had a pretty rough night if the "stupid 19r old female" had run over it instead...

That is bad news though - hope it all pulls back together ok.

EB_5.0_WAGON · 28-06-2005, 10:39 PM

maybe the owner would learn to keep it on a lead next time ( it illegal to walk them without it in Brisbane)

EDManual · 28-06-2005, 10:58 PM

You were a bit close.

Annoying to have an "At Fault" claim, as you pay the excess and get a worse rating.
How much damage to her car?

Walkinshaw · 28-06-2005, 11:00 PM

very harsh comments to come but all in good faith

you were following too close, the accident is your fault.

Franky · 28-06-2005, 11:02 PM

I probably wouldn't hit the dog either, if it was wet it was probably a bit dangerous being so close.

MITCHAY · 28-06-2005, 11:09 PM

I thought you werent meant to stop for animals unless of course they are huge. (ie cow) which you exactly wouldnt find anywhere in town. If i can stop safely i do but im not risking my life or anyone elses for an animal. Ive hit a bird and a cat both of which were unavoidable.

29-06-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I thought you werent meant to stop for animals unless of course they are huge. (ie cow) which you exactly wouldnt find anywhere in town. If i can stop safely i do but im not risking my life or anyone elses for an animal. Ive hit a bird and a cat both of which were unavoidable.

In NSW you are not to brake or swerve to avoid an animal, but after hitting an animal you must stop and render asistance.

That being said, it is also the responsibility of all road users to leave enough room to safely avoid hitting another car.

So if pushed, both parties would get a negligent driving T.I.N

RED_EL_XR8 · 29-06-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by devil cv8

In NSW you are not to brake or swerve to avoid an animal, but after hitting an animal you must stop and render asistance.

That being said, it is also the responsibility of all road users to leave enough room to safely avoid hitting another car.

So if pushed, both parties would get a negligent driving T.I.N

The wording was must not brake unless safe and practicable to do so, and must never swerve. The law stems back to times with mostly 2 lane highways, to swerve would certainly put you in the path of oncoming traffic, or off the road completely, both risking human life.

Bucket · 26-06-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by devil cv8

In NSW you are not to brake or swerve to avoid an animal, but after hitting an animal you must stop and render asistance.

That being said, it is also the responsibility of all road users to leave enough room to safely avoid hitting another car.

So if pushed, both parties would get a negligent driving T.I.N

Correct me if im wrong but in my experience You would only get neg. driving for injuring a 3rd party if your at fault?

LTD351 · 28-06-2005, 11:09 PM

that sucks, i'm fairly certain it is illegal to swerve for animals for that exact reason, it can cause accidents, because you were behind you would be at fault tho.

EB_5.0_WAGON · 28-06-2005, 11:11 PM

I was far enough back from her that had she not stopped dead in the middle of the road i wouldnt have even need to brake as she turned the corner. She was slowing down to turn and i was coasting(not accelerating or braking but still in 3rd gear) up the hill behind her.
Her car has paint off the spare tyre cover ( it was a Honda crv) some scratches on the plastic panel behind the spare wheel and it looks like the towbar is bent down slightly.

merlin · 29-06-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nudge

I was far enough back from her

Obviously not.

You should be anticipating random unexpected events to happen every time you get behind the wheel.

RED_EL_XR8 · 29-06-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin

Obviously not.

You should be anticipating random unexpected events to happen every time you get behind the wheel.

I concur !

Mike Gayner · 29-06-2005, 04:54 AM

It sucks about the damage but the accident was your fault. What was she supposed to do, plough straight through the dog just so the guy behind her (who was clearly too close) didn't ram her? Sounds a little unfair. You should always have enough distance between yourself and the car in front so that you can stop short, no matter what.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 08:34 AM

You are only supposed to stop for a dog if it safe to do so, well it wasnt was it as she caused an accident, so do not accept the blame for this, fight it all the way, she should pay for your car, dogs are to be on leads or in backyards, the law is on your side, ring the cops and you will find I am right.

merlin · 29-06-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

You are only supposed to stop for a dog if it safe to do so, well it wasnt was it as she caused an accident, so do not accept the blame for this, fight it all the way, she should pay for your car, dogs are to be on leads or in backyards, the law is on your side, ring the cops and you will find I am right.

It was safe for her to do so - its not her fault if some car was riding her **** in the wet and didnt keep a safe distance.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin

It was safe for her to do so - its not her fault if some car was riding her **** in the wet and didnt keep a safe distance.

ring the cops tell them she stopped dead suddenly for a dog, and you could not avoid her so hit her, and see who is in the right, then tell me I am wrong.

merlin · 29-06-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

ring the cops tell them she stopped dead suddenly for a dog, and you could not avoid her so hit her, and see who is in the right, then tell me I am wrong.

You are correct in that in the road rules it states that you are not supposed to swerve/stop to avoid hitting an animal if unsafe to do so.

However from his account she was already braking to turn down a side street so its not like she came to a stop completley at random - so really he should have been ready anyway.

Combined with the fact that it is also a road rule to keep a safe distance from the car in front I reckon he would be in the wrong.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin

You are correct in that in the road rules it states that you are not supposed to swerve/stop to avoid hitting an animal if unsafe to do so.

However from his account she was already braking to turn down a side street so its not like she came to a stop completley at random - so really he should have been ready anyway.

Combined with the fact that it is also a road rule to keep a safe distance from the car in front I reckon he would be in the wrong.

OK, yes he could be, and is quite possibly in the wrong.

Cheech · 29-06-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin

You are correct in that in the road rules it states that you are not supposed to swerve/stop to avoid hitting an animal if unsafe to do so.

However from his account she was already braking to turn down a side street so its not like she came to a stop completley at random - so really he should have been ready anyway.

Combined with the fact that it is also a road rule to keep a safe distance from the car in front I reckon he would be in the wrong.

Precisely......

Similar thing hapened to me 15 years ago when a guy in front stopped for a
TURTLE that was crossing the road on a wet day. Hydro planed straight into the back of him and Mr.Turtle disappeared into a storm drain. I was at fault and to top it of copped a neg driving fine as his vehicle had to be towed and we called the coppers. Was on my P's and had a $900 excess.
Learn't my lesson though.

LTDHO · 29-06-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

You are only supposed to stop for a dog if it safe to do so, well it wasnt was it as she caused an accident, so do not accept the blame for this, fight it all the way, she should pay for your car, dogs are to be on leads or in backyards, the law is on your side, ring the cops and you will find I am right.

Sorry Jase, this is 100% wrong.
You must stop. The vehicle behind the stopping vehicle is 100% liable and if the police attended the 2nd vehicle would have been charged.

I wouldn't go to the cops, they can charge you on the spot for admitting to running into the rear of another car. I know it has happened before.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Sorry Jase, this is 100% wrong.
You must stop. The vehicle behind the stopping vehicle is 100% liable and if the police attended the 2nd vehicle would have been charged.

I wouldn't go to the cops, they can charge you on the spot for admitting to running into the rear of another car. I know it has happened before.

I never meant you have the right to run into them, all I am saying is according to the law they are not supposed to stop unless 100% safe to do so, but the other side is you should not be close to enough to run into them even if they did stop .... catch 22 in a way (but yes if you hit them, you are to close .....)

XAGSV8 · 29-06-2005, 09:22 AM

I thought any car the hits another up the bum is at fault no matter what because there has to be a safe distance keeped.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GSWXA

I thought any car the hits another up the bum is at fault no matter what because there has to be a safe distance keeped.

Yes but if we all did that, then you need 2 car lengths at least, I had a car jump hard, really hard on the brakes because of a dog, due to this fact the police said its his fault, the law was on my side, I just left it at we both fix our cars and thats that, he argued I said phone the police and tell then the story, then tell me I am wrong, he never phoned back.

geckoGT · 29-06-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

Yes but if we all did that, then you need 2 car lengths at least, I had a car jump hard, really hard on the brakes because of a dog, due to this fact the police said its his fault, the law was on my side, I just left it at we both fix our cars and thats that, he argued I said phone the police and tell then the story, then tell me I am wrong, he never phoned back.

At least 2 car lengths, sorry too close. The guide is 2 seconds in dry conditions, double that in wet. so in the dry at 60km/h, the safe distance is 16m (about 5 car lengths) and 30m in the wet.
I really suggest that some people do defensive driving courses (should be government subsidised and compulsory befor getting off P's). Trust me, it will really open your eyes! Especially when you do the braking distance demonstration.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

At least 2 car lengths, sorry too close. The guide is 2 seconds in dry conditions, double that in wet. so in the dry at 60km/h, the safe distance is 16m (about 5 car lengths) and 30m in the wet.
I really suggest that some people do defensive driving courses (should be government subsidised and compulsory befor getting off P's). Trust me, it will really open your eyes! Especially when you do the braking distance demonstration.

A falcon is 4.8m roughly so that would make 3 car, 4 at most car lengths, not 5.

RED_EL_XR8 · 29-06-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

A falcon is 4.8m roughly so that would make 3 car, 4 at most car lengths, not 5.

A falcon also weighs from 1500 to 1800kg maybe 5 car lengths is good advice. I know its not always possible and its damned annoying when others continually cut into this space on the motorway but its something to aim for. Or should that be something not to aim for, out of striking range.

NIGHTHAWK · 29-06-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GSWXA

I thought any car the hits another up the bum is at fault no matter what because there has to be a safe distance keeped.

Especially in the rain, you keep a further distance as it takes longer to stop.Did you have insurance?

bailey04 · 29-06-2005, 09:33 AM

Did she have her blinker on?

A question to everyone who said he was to close: If you see someone turning the corner do you slow right down and wait for them to go around the corner and maintain a safe distance until they are 30 meters around the corner before continuing? Most likely not, when someone turns off in front of you, you just keep driving along the road, you slow down so they can make it around the corner, and you pass within meters of the back of thier car. You don't sit back 30 metres down the road and wait for them to go round the corner do you?

So IMO it is fair to say that she was turning and you didn't anticipate her to stop dead, because most people don't corner without moving :eclipsee_ , and by the time you realised she had stopped it was to late? It has little to do with safe distance, and more to do with bad luck...