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yanknbank ...no disrespect intended at all.
You write very eloquently. You remind me one of those writers who write for home theatre magazines trying to describe the experience of listening to a great pair of speakers or a wine expert giving commentary on a particular crop of grapes... I was informed and entertained at the same time ...I trust you aren't wasting your talents just on this forum ...< this post has no traces of sarcasm> seriously!
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Ask Smithy the blokes a tool who relys on everone else to solve problems then claims victory himself. Of course there is a difference ask anyone who drives a LS focus they ping like hell on regular. The guy has no idea.
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ive had my territory turbo tuned using caltex vortex, did a trip recently and i used bp and it pinged its head off at wot, put vortex back in, no more pinging, go figure!!
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its pretty obviouse some fuels are`nt what they are purported to be, i was the other side of town a couple of months ago and had to fill up at a small independant , i was also much lower on fuel than i like to be, i put the good stuff in as always, a very short time later my henry was pinking its guts out,(make that big rattly sound under load), most upsetting, i wont be going back to that servo.
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Funnily enough I'm always saying I either got a good batch of 98RON or a bad batch. One week I think my car is flying like a rocket, the next tank I'm left wondering why I payed the extra over 95RON. I can notice this in my Fiesta, and always just thought it was the cars tune or the weather more than anything. My FG Falcon however seems happy on 98RON all the time. So maybe the lesser powered Fiesta is showing the signs of older fuel and the Falcon, being much more powerful, doesn't show the signs of older fuel anywhere near as much?
As for the fuel it's self, I don't notice any major power gains in the Falcon using 98RON, the Fiesta however feels sluggish with 91RON. Fuel economy is too hard to gauge as I drive different places all the time.
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Jeez I hate Smithy (Commodore driving labor voting Collingwood supporting freak) but anyway a while back he did a story on storing your car and "claimed" regular unleaded in the tank would go off after about 2 - 3 months and PULP, I think he said should last for 9 - 12 months.
And whats with the price cycle lately? It's all over the shop, the majors are really turning the screws on the independents down here in Mexico and once they're gone... |
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My car is rated at 98. It can get by on 95 if need be but watch the knock sensor go nuts on an ECU reader, you certainly can't thrash it hard and not notice the difference even by feel. This being a stock car too
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E10 is utter rubbish, worst fuel consuption ever.
91 is average. 95 i dont bother with 98 is awesome, fuel consumtion is great compared to the others, just got roughly 100kms on one quarter. Dont recall it doing that ever.... So comparing E10 (worst) to 98 (best), oh well it doesnt compare.
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My brand new FG F6 was 2/3 filled with regular unleaded when I picked it up. It pinged that badly at one stage the engine forced a limp mode situation, almost reducing boost to nothing. I drove the car to empty the tank then refilled it with 98 octane fuel. Engine runs smoother and revs cleaner. Oil companies have minimum fuel standards and garantees for the different products they sell and take their fuel standards very seriously. Contaminated fuels are 99% of the time caused by site issues i.e. contaminated tanks, faulty filters etc. BP in WA pulled Ultimate Diesel from it's product line up for almost 12 months due to a refinery issue - they won't allow an inferior product to hit the market. I work in the fuel industry as a subcontractor. The oil companies spend big bucks ensuring tanks, lines, pumps etc are maintained. BP Ultimate technical data sheet http://www.tds.bp.com.au/pdf%5C5556_M98ULv2.pdf BP Ultimate MSDS http://www.msds.bp.com.au/msds.aspx?msdsno=02791-AU Note the storage conditions for Ultimate is up to 1 year when stored correctly. Fuel in your tank is not considered correct storage.
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i remember some years ago a servo in yarraville /footscray was in strife over dodgey fuel (diesel), it cost the trucky 20 k for an engine rebuild, it was on ACA from memory, i used to buy from the same sod on occasion, not often thankfully, sorry getting off topic.
Surely GT Falcon the wrong fuel must get put in tanks at times by mistake or on purpose, correct me if i`m wrong but the incentive to sell standard unleaded as the good stuff would not be beyond the unscrupulouse operator? 10 to 15 c per litre difference even mixed as a shandy to make it less detecable or am barking up the wrong tree? |
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A few years back in Melb I think Mobil blended a batch of sub par aviation gas into the supply to move it and it caused more than a few dramas
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the fuel in my ef v8 is nearly 18 months old, and it has clearly deteriorated, pings bad under load, anything more than 60-70% throttle and its bad, dosnt like to idle, surges when stopped at the lights in gear to the point of stalling.
i wanna burn through a bit more of it before i top it up with nice new premium and see what differences there are. another 1/4 of a tank to go i reckon. |
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I find it strange that these days all the Supermuscletwinturbov8supercars are meant to run on 98.
I've got a 1988 4cyl 230e Benz.... Possibly the farthest thing from hairy chested type cars........The recommended fuel is 98. But back then all you had was Super or Standard, both the same price! A conspiracy between car and fuel companies maybe, to sell the higher priced fuel? (the last line was sarcasm)
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Why would the oil companies bother to make the different grades of fuel different colours if they weren't a different octane rating. A lot of work for no reason. |
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Thanks for the docs GT Falcon, but the 98RON one has raised another question for me. It refers to its applications including cars and motorcycles; a) designed to run on 98 octane b) designed to run on 95 octane ("but performance benefits may not be so apparent unless the vehicle is fitted with a knock sensor that can adjust the engine to take advantage of the higher octane.") It doesn't refer to cars designed to run on 91 octane at all. So does that mean that I'm putting it in my FG N/A for no good reason? I'm pretty confident it won't do any damage, as I've been using it in the VY for years now, but am I just wasting my money. Surely if it had benefits for cars that can run on 91 octane, BP's own spec sheet would say so, and include cars designed for 91 octane in its applications. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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pretty sure the aurion output figures are also on 98 juice. most modern cars will have more than one knock sensor these days so there is a good chance it will adjust, but anyone expecting huge improvements instantly are kidding themselves. even bp say 'with continued use'. (i guess thats so you keep buying it?) if fuel companies have to garauntee a minimum octane level, then sure, 91 could actually be higher, but the same applies to 98 doesn't it? |
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As far as i know the leaded fuel did last longer then the unleaded and E 10 does not last as long as unleaded i think it has to do with how it evaporates. if i store fuel i put it in a cool place in a jerry can. if i leave fuel in my dirt bike in the shed over a certain temperature sure to be sure the fuel will evaporate lowering the octane because the fuel tank is vented.
I had a XG longreach back in 1993 and she performed on caltex the best. But my VS V6 & VS 5.0L & 5.7L gen III did not like caltex at all. i would travel up the hervey bay fill up with caltex because that is all they had and think what the f is going on my VS V6 would do 218 KM/H flat. but with caltex 92 or 95 only 205 KM/H flat. My VS 5.0L would only perform well on 95 but not caltex if i got up it. or else it was that gutless that a V6 would out perform it. my gen III would spit and sputter when getting up it on caltex. I have nothing against any company but that has been my experience. I have ran 95 & 98 from any company servo, that gave poor performance. so i now try to find a station that has a high turnover of 98 fuel for the best performance. I have run 91 E10 in the gen III when E10 first came out and it was gutless under 2200RPM. but now with 95 E10 it performs well but uses a bit more fuel. |
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Not really worried about how much if any extra performance, as its a road only car, but was just wondering if it was capable of sensing better fuel and adjusting to run better and get some benefit. To be honest, using 98 (BP Ultimate) more out of blind faith that it may help engine longevity. Theres a chance my son will get the XR50 a few years down the track, and want to keep it in as good a condition as I can.
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