Toyota Australia calls for delay in first federal auto emissions standard

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

nope. BS ADRs cost money. Without them we could import UK certified cars for no added cost.

We're having our fuel standards change for higher quality fuel sooner rather than later as well, it was supposed to be 2027 but they've brought it back earlier.

[Crazy Dazz]

China basically enslaves the majority of its population. What they showcase to the world is the rise in their affluent "middle-class" but the majority of it's population are impoverished peasant workers.
They work in unbelievably poor conditions, and workplace fatalities are common. In the worst factories and mines, bodies are just dumped in landfill.

The Chinese government actively facilitates widespread theft of IP.
Foreign companies can only operate in China through JVs, which invariably result in the foreign company being ripped off.

On the international market, China short-sells it's own currency. This makes their exports illegally competitive, and results in building up quadrillions of dollars in USD. That USD is then used to fund acquisitions of foreign mines, etc, by state-backed Chinese companies. Which companies then engage in wholesale visa, royalty, and tax fraud.

The amount of pollution that China produces means that they are single-handedly poisoning this planet, and there's nothing the rest of us can do about it.

The sick irony of anybody buying a Chinese EV, thinking it is somehow better for the planet, makes me want to vomit.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

On the international market, China short-sells it's own currency. This makes their exports illegally competitive,

This is what Germany does with the Euro, at the cost of countries like Italy and Greece, it makes Germany's manufacturing industry competitive while making Italy's non-competitive because now its too expensive and it effects Greece's tourism industry by having this artificially strong currency compared to if Italy and Greece stuck with their own currencies.

Euro is artificially low for Germany, but inflated for Italy and Greece.

[vixf6]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

China basically enslaves the majority of its population. What they showcase to the world is the rise in their affluent "middle-class" but the majority of it's population are impoverished peasant workers.
They work in unbelievably poor conditions, and workplace fatalities are common. In the worst factories and mines, bodies are just dumped in landfill.

The Chinese government actively facilitates widespread theft of IP.
Foreign companies can only operate in China through JVs, which invariably result in the foreign company being ripped off.

On the international market, China short-sells it's own currency. This makes their exports illegally competitive, and results in building up quadrillions of dollars in USD. That USD is then used to fund acquisitions of foreign mines, etc, by state-backed Chinese companies. Which companies then engage in wholesale visa, royalty, and tax fraud.

The amount of pollution that China produces means that they are single-handedly poisoning this planet, and there's nothing the rest of us can do about it.

The sick irony of anybody buying a Chinese EV, thinking it is somehow better for the planet, makes me want to vomit.

Best post I’ve read in a long time. Sheer greed of humanity is astonishing,
Brazilian BYD factory is a great example, anyone buying these things should take a long look in the mirror

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

China basically enslaves the majority of its population. What they showcase to the world is the rise in their affluent "middle-class" but the majority of it's population are impoverished peasant workers.
They work in unbelievably poor conditions, and workplace fatalities are common. In the worst factories and mines, bodies are just dumped in landfill.

The Chinese government actively facilitates widespread theft of IP.
Foreign companies can only operate in China through JVs, which invariably result in the foreign company being ripped off.

On the international market, China short-sells it's own currency. This makes their exports illegally competitive, and results in building up quadrillions of dollars in USD. That USD is then used to fund acquisitions of foreign mines, etc, by state-backed Chinese companies. Which companies then engage in wholesale visa, royalty, and tax fraud.

The amount of pollution that China produces means that they are single-handedly poisoning this planet, and there's nothing the rest of us can do about it.

The sick irony of anybody buying a Chinese EV, thinking it is somehow better for the planet, makes me want to vomit.

100% true.

Most Australians don’t understand this, and buy stuff because it’s cheap and there is no Australian alternative (we closed our industries down and outsourced).

There is a Chinese agenda, and it’s to destroy Western industry.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

100% true.

Most Australians don’t understand this, and buy stuff because it’s cheap and there is no Australian alternative (we closed our industries down and outsourced).

There is a Chinese agenda, and it’s to destroy Western industry.

I don't think they 'don't understand', people just don't give a shit at the end of the day, they want their cheap goods.

Government doesn't even give a shit either, the HCMT project here in Melbourne, Government knew they were sourcing goods from slave labour factories and they just kept going after the fact.

[NX74205]

The government can shove their emission standards where the sun don't shine. Absolutely senseless knee-jerk reaction to the climate change alarmists.

Of all the contributors of global greenhouse gas emissions, transport - including shipping, aviation, trucks and cars, only account for 16%. Road cars specifically - about 7%. Yet all the press attention and legislation has been directed at private car ownership - because they're easy targets, I suppose. Even if the all private car owners in the entire world switched over to EVs tomorrow, it wouldn't make a dent in the level of global greenhouse gas emissions.

Industry accounts for 43% of global greenhouse gas emissions, and agriculture 33%. Where is the legislation directed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions from those sources, and has it been proportionate to the attention directed to road cars, which are comparatively minute contributors to greenhouse gases?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I don't think they 'don't understand', people just don't give a shit at the end of the day, they want their cheap goods.

Government doesn't even give a shit either, the HCMT project here in Melbourne, Government knew they were sourcing goods from slave labour factories and they just kept going after the fact.

When it comes to trade all the governments suck up to each other for the mighty dollar.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

China basically enslaves the majority of its population. What they showcase to the world is the rise in their affluent "middle-class" but the majority of it's population are impoverished peasant workers.
They work in unbelievably poor conditions, and workplace fatalities are common. In the worst factories and mines, bodies are just dumped in landfill.

The Chinese government actively facilitates widespread theft of IP.
Foreign companies can only operate in China through JVs, which invariably result in the foreign company being ripped off.

On the international market, China short-sells it's own currency. This makes their exports illegally competitive, and results in building up quadrillions of dollars in USD. That USD is then used to fund acquisitions of foreign mines, etc, by state-backed Chinese companies. Which companies then engage in wholesale visa, royalty, and tax fraud.

The amount of pollution that China produces means that they are single-handedly poisoning this planet, and there's nothing the rest of us can do about it.

The sick irony of anybody buying a Chinese EV, thinking it is somehow better for the planet, makes me want to vomit.

Do you vomit every time you purchase pharmaceuticals, TV's, radios, phones, internet & PC equipment, clothes, shoes and gods know whatever else is manufactured in China that is commonly for sale here in Australia?


China is not the only pariah country in this world that creates pollution you speak of.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by NX74205

The government can shove their emission standards where the sun don't shine. Absolutely senseless knee-jerk reaction to the climate change alarmists.

Of all the contributors of global greenhouse gas emissions, transport - including shipping, aviation, trucks and cars, only account for 16%. Road cars specifically - about 7%. Yet all the press attention and legislation has been directed at private car ownership - because they're easy targets, I suppose. Even if the all private car owners in the entire world switched over to EVs tomorrow, it wouldn't make a dent in the level of global greenhouse gas emissions.

Industry accounts for 43% of global greenhouse gas emissions, and agriculture 33%. Where is the legislation directed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions from those sources, and has it been proportionate to the attention directed to road cars, which are comparatively minute contributors to greenhouse gases?

The elephant in the room is global population causing massive strain on the planet from an environmental perspective,

But no one wants to have that conversation, particularly all the climate warriors we've got

The reason people punch down on the automotive industry is its an easy target and you can get buy in from the people who are probably going to vote for you if you point fingers and hurt the things that don't effect them.

I love it in Melbourne, they walk around with their Chinese sourced plastic 'keep cup' that was built by slave labourers, out of oil, shipped across the ocean in a massive ship that burns horrid fuel oil, which they bring to the cafe they travelled to on the train powered by brown coal, from where they live in their huge concrete tower.

And they want to point fingers at me for being an environmental vandal because I got a disposable cup with my take-away cappuccino, yeah I guess I am the worst **** in the world

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

This is what Germany does with the Euro, at the cost of countries like Italy and Greece, it makes Germany's manufacturing industry competitive while making Italy's non-competitive because now its too expensive and it effects Greece's tourism industry by having this artificially strong currency compared to if Italy and Greece stuck with their own currencies.

Euro is artificially low for Germany, but inflated for Italy and Greece.

Absolutely, it was essentially a 30% deval of the Deutschemark, paid for by southern European countries who got to be called PIIGS. Allowed the post 2000 German car export success. We are really lucky in Australia that we have our own currency and are not tied to a common currency.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Absolutely, it was essentially a 30% deval of the Deutschemark, paid for by southern European countries who got to be called PIIGS. Allowed the post 2000 German car export success. We are really lucky in Australia that we have our own currency and are not tied to a common currency.

Yep, its not just China playing these games but also manufacturing monsters like Germany doing something similar to China and screws over a neighboring struggling economy which had a sizeable manufacturing industry.

If Germany had its own currency then it would be ridiculously strong vs the USD and their products would be rather more expensive in the US market, this significant discount going on is paid for by Southern European countries and their manufacturing industries, or tourism in the case of Greece.

[Sprintey]

A bit of fun, here's the earth nullschool ground level CO2 map of the world, you can spin it with your mouse, zoom in etc

https://earth.nullschool.net/#curren...44.384,-38.361

Notice the difference in CO2 at ground level between the northern and southern hemis

Edit: you can click on the word 'earth' and bring up the menu and see all sorts of things. There are other pollutants listed, like sulphur dioxide, and this one: carbon monoxide. It's a bit more stark but shows where most of the pollution is coming from:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#curren...44.384,-38.361

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yep, its not just China playing these games but also manufacturing monsters like Germany doing something similar to China and screws over a neighboring struggling economy which had a sizeable manufacturing industry.

If Germany had its own currency then it would be ridiculously strong vs the USD and their products would be rather more expensive in the US market, this significant discount going on is paid for by Southern European countries and their manufacturing industries, or tourism in the case of Greece.

Got it in one. I came across a young Italian graduate in a surf carpark some years back, he said as graduate he got about 260 EU a month in some form of pseudo job, it was barely a living, nobody really hiring - so he decided to work and travel Oz for that time instead. Couldn't argue with that.

I think Italy is doing OK industrially at present under Meloni? Their navy yards are going well at any rate.