Gtp ???

[flappist]

Originally Posted by 12sec 3V XT

If you dont mind me saying.

I think youl find a fair majority of GT owners mod there cars, everyone i no who owns one has, and the only AU's that will ever be admired are the T-series, does that meen no one should mod them?

Actually most NEW FPV buyers do not mod their cars. We enthusiests are quite a minor group in the big picture. I know a large number of local FPV owners. None are forum members. None are car club members and most chane their car every 2 years to stay in warranty. I know these people through business not personal interaction.

On the other hand, if you are a car enthusiest and the way you meet other owners is via fora or club outings then I would suspect that all you meet would be modders.

[fou_bleu]

Real! Who would waste more money by doing up a XR8 when by the time they did it, the GT cost less!!! :

[gtnut]

Got a GTP in Winter White I had it for 7 months and havent thouched it not even the air filter just love it to death.
Being an 03 model it hasnt got boss 290 on the bonnet and no pod gauges it lookes like a xr8 from the front to the untrained eye so much so that on the way to the FPV weekend in Melbourne in febuary while listening to the cb most truckies thougt I was a copper.


Paul Callaghan
Hawkesbury
NSW

[scotty32]

Hi people,
I went to have a look ...And yep its BA 03 GTP.with a few mods...
Been around a bit on the net too I think.
These guys run a car wash called suds at mentone and flog second hand cars with big kms on them ,mostly BMW`S ,BENZ etc....

[gtfpv]

30 grand extra for a gt hey . is that why people buy xr8's .
i was in the market for an xr8 . when i bought the gt . the xr8 was plain without options , so i wanted an xr8 with luxury pack, and premium brakes and bonnet decals in 6 spd man. the best best price ford could do was 53 g's drivaway. or the gt for for 61g's drivaway . with stripes and floormats . it was an easy choice .

and no most GT buyers do not mod them , most xr8 buyers do. i went through mental hell before modding mine . with a catback and air filter . and i still have the origional catback in the garage ( not for sale !)

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

30 grand extra for a gt hey . is that why people buy xr8's .
i was in the market for an xr8 . when i bought the gt . the xr8 was plain without options , so i wanted an xr8 with luxury pack, and premium brakes and bonnet decals in 6 spd man. the best best price ford could do was 53 g's drivaway. or the gt for for 61g's drivaway . with stripes and floormats . it was an easy choice .

and no most GT buyers do not mod them , most xr8 buyers do. i went through mental hell before modding mine . with a catback and air filter . and i still have the origional catback in the garage ( not for sale !)

I was talking about GTP's and fully optioned XR8's which you reckon best they could offer was 53 grand, thats still 25 grand cheaper than a GTP, which come out at around 78 grand on road, my point was that for people on a budget the XR8 is a better value for money option,you bought a GT over an XR8 because it had stripes and floormats which cost you 8 grand extra.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by 12sec 3V XT

you bought a GT over an XR8 because it had stripes and floormats which cost you 8 grand extra.

That really is a ridiculous thing to say. Take your "3Vxt" blinkers off and have a good look at both vehicles beyond just cosmetics.

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

That really is a ridiculous thing to say. Take your "3Vxt" blinkers off and have a good look at both vehicles beyond just cosmetics.

Please, do tell these differences that justify the price difference...

At the end of the day, nodoby can dispute the fact that a large percentage of the price of a GT is paying for a badge. Imagine the overheads FPV must have, on top of Ford's. And who pays for that? FPV owners!

If you've got the money, you are insecure, you need the "badge", or you don't want to mod, buy a GT.

If you want to mod, aren't vain, and can appreciate that you can build twice the car for a hell of a lot less, buy an XR8.

At the end of the day, they are both tarted up taxis. Nothing less.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Please, do tell these differences that justify the price difference...

At the end of the day, nodoby can dispute the fact that a large percentage of the price of a GT is paying for a badge. Imagine the overheads FPV must have, on top of Ford's. And who pays for that? FPV owners!

If you've got the money, you are insecure, you need the "badge", or you don't want to mod, buy a GT.

If you want to mod, aren't vain, and can appreciate that you can build twice the car for a hell of a lot less, buy an XR8.

At the end of the day, they are both tarted up taxis. Nothing less.

Abridged version "I own an XR8 not a GT".

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by flappist

Abridged version "I own an XR8 not a GT".

Nah mate, just the logical version....

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Nah mate, just the logical version....

No the logical version is "I own an XR6T not a GT"

Least money, most power, you remember logic, just the facts not the emotion or fantasy............

But what has this got to do with whether that car was a GT-P?

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by flappist

No the logical version is "I own an XR6T not a GT"

Least money, most power, you remember logic, just the facts not the emotion or fantasy............

But what has this got to do with whether that car was a GT-P?

No no no Flappist, we must compare apples with apples. Both running gear in the GT and XR8 is mechanically the same (albeit for pistons and cams), hence the comparison.

We could argue the value of the F6 over the XR6T, but that would take us even further off topic.

The car has been established as being a genuine FPV, so I doubt the thread starter would object to our "discussion".

Jimmy

[superpursuit83]

Sorry to bite into this,

Originally Posted by 12sec 3V XT

hard to justify an extra 30 grand on a few gimmicks like climate control,body kit and 19" wheels. You could get the extra 30 kw's with a better exhaust and CAI, as for the suspension, youd turf that crap for bilsteins and buy some second hand brembo's for 3 grand.

Dont forget the seats, steering wheel, twin air con, pedals, nice rims, more compression, breakdown service etc... It is hard to justify the extra cost but once you have owned one its all worth it. I fell in love with my ute, and even now after nearly 2 years, I still LOVE to drive it. Anything less is just a ute.

Or maybe I am insecure...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by superpursuit83

Sorry to bite into this,



Dont forget the seats, steering wheel, twin air con, pedals, nice rims, more compression, breakdown service etc... It is hard to justify the extra cost but once you have owned one its all worth it. I fell in love with my ute, and even now after nearly 2 years, I still LOVE to drive it. Anything less is just a ute.

Or maybe I am insecure...

Not to mention Better resale value, anyone of here that drives an XR8 would drive an FPV given the chance, but some people don't value the things that make FPV's a step up from a XR.

Personally if i did decide to change cars, it would be to Either a FPV GT or a FPV Super Pursuit, but at the moment im more than happy with what i have and i cannot see the value in selling my car for 25-28K and buy a FPV for 60+K...

[4Vman]

I own an XR8 and im perfectly secure in my manhood to acknowledge the GT/GT-P is a much better appointed and more refined Vehicle... not to mention better performance too.
Im neither blinkered, bitter or under any missconception that there is a better alternative in the range to my XR8.
Anyone with any intelligence knows better costs more.

[Wokkas]

Here we go again. It's not about which car is better (no one has ever disputed the fact that a GT off the showroom floor is a better car than an XR8 off the showroom floor), 12sec 3V XT's original argument was that dollar for dollar, the XR is the better option for someone wanting to mod a car, and get the most out of it.

I've spoken to many a person who has admitted that the only reason they bought a GT was because they wanted what looked like the best to everyone else.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

If you've got the money, you are insecure, you need the "badge", or you don't want to mod, buy a GT.

Translation: "i wish i could afford one but i can't so i'll bag it"

Originally Posted by Wokkas

If you want to mod, aren't vain, and can appreciate that you can build twice the car for a hell of a lot less, buy an XR8.

Translation: "ive really got no idea what class, refinement or sophistication means.."

[XR8Master]

FPV owners also get a free day at willowbank

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Translation: "i wish i could afford one but i can't so i'll bag it"


Translation: "ive really got no idea what class, refinement or sophistication means.."

Don't think it's quite that simple...

A BF XR8 isn't much less sophisticated or refined, and a large number of XR8 owners including myself could and did consider a GT, but i would rather a XR8 with 10K of mods than another stock GT.

Different strokes for different folks, no need to start personally attacking people.

[Charliewool]

I bought my Pursuit over an XR8 for the free FPV watch!
Sadly that had ceased (all the watches were outta warranty) when it came to the F6
(get a life you guys, It's a no win arguement that's been flogged to death)

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Don't think it's quite that simple...

A BF XR8 isn't much less sophisticated or refined, and a large number of XR8 owners including myself could and did consider a GT, but i would rather a XR8 with 10K of mods than another stock GT.

Different strokes for different folks, no need to start personally attacking people.

Let me put it another way, the GT/GT-P is ONLY another 10-20K more than the XR8....
Put it in context, try buying something EURO of similar size, performance and appointment for under 150K..

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Don't think it's quite that simple...

A BF XR8 isn't much less sophisticated or refined, and a large number of XR8 owners including myself could and did consider a GT, but i would rather a XR8 with 10K of mods than another stock GT.

Different strokes for different folks, no need to start personally attacking people.

Mate........ I betcha love your XR8 too, even though (to use your words) It isn't MUCH less sophisicated or refined" It's a dead end arguement, really!... Why would Ford have an XR8 in their lineup if they thought everyone would automatically buy a GT? Conversely, Why would FPV bother with a GT if, using your logic, an XR8 is miles better value?.. It's horses for courses (AND budgets)
BTW, may I ask why you have FPV8 in your user name?

[J_Tank]

Blah blah blah

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Please, do tell these differences that justify the price difference...

At the end of the day, nodoby can dispute the fact that a large percentage of the price of a GT is paying for a badge. Imagine the overheads FPV must have, on top of Ford's. And who pays for that? FPV owners!

If you've got the money, you are insecure, you need the "badge", or you don't want to mod, buy a GT.

If you want to mod, aren't vain, and can appreciate that you can build twice the car for a hell of a lot less, buy an XR8.

At the end of the day, they are both tarted up taxis. Nothing less.

Its like buying a Super Pursuit over an XR8 ute.

XR8 = $42 grand on road for an 07 plate with 17 inch alloys, boring interior and very little over a $34,000 XR6 other then the motor.

Super Pursuit = $58 grand for an 07 plate, gives me a 3 Piece hardcover/sportsbar/spoiler, 19 inch alloys compared to 17 inch alloys, 6 pot brembos compared to standard, better body kit / front bar, premium interior with climate control, six stacker, colour screen, Sports steering wheel, Leather, Sports Seats, Passenger airbag, extra gauges, starter button, FPV track day, FPV compendium.

For me the FPV models are more special then your run of the mill XRs, just like HSVs are more special then your run of the mill SS's. Ive had XRs before and loved them just as much as this car, but for me the FPV is alot more special in other ways.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Mate........ I betcha love your XR8 too, even though (to use your words) It isn't MUCH less sophisicated or refined" It's a dead end arguement, really!... Why would Ford have an XR8 in their lineup if they thought everyone would automatically buy a GT? Conversely, Why would FPV bother with a GT if, using your logic, an XR8 is miles better value?.. It's horses for courses (AND budgets)
BTW, may I ask why you have FPV8 in your user name?

I think you missed my point Charlie, my Dad owns a Pursuit which i have driven, so i know what you get, all the extra's, Etc they are great cars.

Im not on either side here, personally i love both, if i could afford a FPV and do what i want to it i would in a heartbeat, but i cannot so at the moment i have an XR8.

It is Horses for courses which is just another way of saying exactly what i did, actually i can't evan really understand why you would bother quoting what i said.

As for my Username, it matches some number plates i have locked away that one day will go on my FPV when i do buy one, and its FPV8U pretty obvious what it means...

[GTP534]

Hello All,

I have a 2003 GTP in HgAg (mercury silver!). No stripes as I didn't like the stripe package back then. It has been slightly modded, I thought long and hard before modding it, but it is out of warranty now and running very sweet.

I did consider an XR8 and XR6T at the time and compared them with the GT and GTP. I went GTP basically because it was more fully equipped as standard, and the only options I got were leather and I think premium sound, I also really liked the wheels, Brembo brakes, analogue clock and "command centre".

Also, I am at the stage of life where I can afford it.

I had an AUII XR8 220kW and optioned it up like crazy, this was of no benefit to me at trade in time and I decided that next time I would buy the Ford with the items that I wanted as standard equipment.

I'm not too interested in resale value as I intend to keep the GTP but I believe it will hold value better than an optioned up XR8.

I guess everybody is an individual with different needs, wants and dreams, and the means with which to fulfil them.

Cheers

Jim

[XRchic]

LOL @ insecurity = buying GT(P) instead of XR8... or similar point... hahahahahaha.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by XRchic

LOL @ insecurity = buying GT(P) instead of XR8... or similar point... hahahahahaha.

No insecurity is having to constantly pomote your personal choices by assumptions, inuendo and personal attacks and deriding anyone whose decission parameters differ from your own as inferior.

e.g.
"I chose and XYZ over a ABC because the extra features of the ABC were not those I require or enjoy owning" is not the statement of an insecure person.

"Anyone who bought a ABC over a XYZ is a insecure dikhed with too much money and a tiny willy coz my XYZ is faster and cheaper coz I got it modded and dont need a ABC badge to extend my willy" is and example of the alternate.

[gtfpv]

i'll say it again . i bought a GT . because it only cost me 6 grand over an XR8 . WITH BETTER SEATS THAN AN XT , AND PREMIUM SOUND . AND DECENT STOPPING. anything less . like a sandard xr8, and i woul've looked at an 3v xt . but thats not what i wanted . so at the end i got more than i wanted for 6 grand . without having to wonder what it would be like to own a GT .

i would've still loved the xr8. but i have no regrets for 6 G's.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i'll say it again . i bought a GT . because it only cost me 6 grand over an XR8 . WITH BETTER SEATS THAN AN XT , AND PREMIUM SOUND . AND DECENT STOPPING. anything less . like a sandard xr8, and i woul've looked at an 3v xt . but thats not what i wanted . so at the end i got more than i wanted for 6 grand . without having to wonder what it would be like to own a GT .

i would've still loved the xr8. but i have no regrets for 6 G's.

Ow....my eyes :