FG2 FPV's - Page 3

AMGC63 · 03-10-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Elks

I personally think the F6 now lacks some relevance.

Back in the boss 5.4 days there was a choice of big cube V8 noise etc vs I6T fast.

Now with S/C 5.0, you get both in the one package. Hence the drop in sales of the F6. It's still a great package but I wouldn't buy one over a 5.0.

Exactly my line of thinking..
Id like to see FPV rationalise thier range a bit and concentrate their R+D efforts on 1 engine range.
Combine the GS and F6 into 1 model to give a budget priced S/C V8 model but with the F6's FPV kit and extras and price it where the F6 currently sits, maybe call it F8?
Then allow Ford to use the current GS as the XR8 as a 302kw model.

SteveJH · 03-10-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Elks

I personally think the F6 now lacks some relevance.

Back in the boss 5.4 days there was a choice of big cube V8 noise etc vs I6T fast.

Now with S/C 5.0, you get both in the one package. Hence the drop in sales of the F6. It's still a great package but I wouldn't buy one over a 5.0.

Depends what your requirements are. The F6 has almost the same power/perfromance, but uses considerably less fuel.

AMGC63 · 03-10-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Depends what your requirements are. The F6 has almost the same power/perfromance, but uses considerably less fuel.

Really???? are you sure about that????? All indications ive seen is they both use about the same amount of fuel when driven in a similar way...

1TUFFUTE · 03-10-2011, 09:39 PM

seems to me like there are alot of know it alls and everyone doesnt actually know anything at all. Its impossible to have differing opinions that have been said are coming from a great source. lets wait for an official ford release to help prevent us coming back here and making you eat your words. One thing i always have known...dont back it till your 110% sure its fact...

**Polyal** · 03-10-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

seems to me like there are alot of know it alls and everyone doesnt actually know anything at all. Its impossible to have differing opinions that have been said are coming from a great source. lets wait for an official ford release to help prevent us coming back here and making you eat your words. One thing i always have known...dont back it till your 110% sure its fact...

So how is that pointy fence?

Is it not half the fun attempting to make educated guesses? Would be a very quiet place if we waited until FPV did a press release.

Talking about things usually brings out tidbits.

Falc'man · 03-10-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

So how is that pointy fence?

New nickname: splinter.

**Polyal** · 03-10-2011, 09:33 PM

While I dont want to think that the F6 doesnt belong it does seem like an odd situation that FPV finds itself in.

There is no doubt that the F6 has saved FPV while the 5.4 was around. Yes the 5.4 still sold well but they could polish a **** and the GT would still sell. What I truely believe is that the F6 opens doors for Ford/FPV to people who dont want a bar of the GT or dont really care much for its historu or culture.

Remember we will be having people buying these cars who witnessed and idolized the R32 GTR, and the rise of imports as a young persons car was a spin off of this. (although recent P plater rules have killed that a bit).

Now when these people mature, have kids etc what do you think they will be looking at for a large sedan?

I would not be surprised if the F6 did not go past the I6T, the XR6T can still exist via the 3.5 Ecoboost within Ford, but translating that to a FPV car doesnt seem to make much sense. FPV rightly so made the most of the I6T being around at the time.

For me, I dont want the F6 to go and I think the I6T deserves to go out with a bang, a big bang, but I would be happy if Ford took over the ownership of the hipo 6's (and have the NA XR8) and FPV stuck to S/C 8's.

Road Games · 03-10-2011, 09:48 PM

The XR8 will be back next year ...

Just Sayin'

cartaa100 · 03-10-2011, 09:51 PM

id love to see wider tyres, upgraded suspension and just a tune out of both engines for power upgrades.

excopau · 03-10-2011, 10:04 PM

i love the f6 over an supercharger 8, if u blow engine, easier to fix and cheaper. Australians have always talked 8's and bought 6's. Some forget what saved FPV, F6 F6 now the 8 is good everyone forgets.

XRDeeze · 03-10-2011, 10:21 PM

well i think theyll get rid of the XR8 too big too heavy . mo

Gobes32 · 04-10-2011, 09:30 AM

What if FPV released FG2 and it came out with bigger brakes, wider tyres and a 5% reduction in weight? Would that be preferable over an extra 10kw?

cartaa100 · 04-10-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

What if FPV released FG2 and it came out with bigger brakes, wider tyres and a 5% reduction in weight? Would that be preferable over an extra 10kw?

my oppinion yes, cause of how easy owners can tune the new fpvs.

i dont think itd happen though i dont know where they could shed 5% id say the new fpv will have wider tyres, judging from there ideas from the fpv black edition concept.

SS_01 · 04-10-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

What if FPV released FG2 and it came out with bigger brakes, wider tyres and a 5% reduction in weight? Would that be preferable over an extra 10kw?

I think this is what we want, but what i think the car needs this time around, is the wider tyres, maybe a suspension option if you want something a little harder, and a change to the bodykit. Also, the one thing i would like them to focus on if they dont change the bodykit, is differentiating it inside from a regular falcon. HSV have done it very well in there latest E-series 3 creation if you ask me, cause you feel like your in something more special.

vztrt · 04-10-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

What if FPV released FG2 and it came out with bigger brakes, wider tyres and a 5% reduction in weight? Would that be preferable over an extra 10kw?

I don't see why the GT/P/E need more power. Its got tons of it now and the computer is limiting the power down low. Getting the power to the ground better will yield more. The drive line is done, now work on the rest of the vehicle.

AMGC63 · 04-10-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I don't see why the GT/P/E need more power. Its got tons of it now and the computer is limiting the power down low. Getting the power to the ground better will yield more. The drive line is done, now work on the rest of the vehicle.

I think you'll find FPV agree with you, im told the engine wont receive anymore power upgrades for the life of FG2.

vztrt · 04-10-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AMGC63

I think you'll find FPV agree with you, im told the engine wont receive anymore power upgrades for the life of FG2.

If they spend their limited budget on other areas of the car I will applaud them. HSV have nothing in terms of engine power till 2013 so not like FPV will fall behind.

AMGC63 · 04-10-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

If they spend their limited budget on other areas of the car I will applaud them. HSV have nothing in terms of engine power till 2013 so not like FPV will fall behind.

Exactly. They have HSV beat comprehensively in the power stakes so why give away upgrades for no reason? HSV cant do anything for 2 years, FPV IMO will now focus on chassis dynamics buy i think that will happen progressively after this upgrade which will land late next year.

IDT · 04-10-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I don't see why the GT/P/E need more power. Its got tons of it now and the computer is limiting the power down low. Getting the power to the ground better will yield more. The drive line is done, now work on the rest of the vehicle.

The thing that bothers me is how easy it would be to lose a lot of weight. End cost aside I look inside and see the same interior in all fords. Two quick weight reductions that would allow the interior to also be more technologically advanced:
Replace the stereo with a radio and Ipod docking station/blue tooth setup. The entire thing could be the size of an i phone.
Replace the seats with F/glass or carbon wrapped seats (something like recaro seats for fatty's like me

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And my pet hate, though many here will disagree, and I don't care what wheels magazine says. My car does not require a TV sized touch screen plasma "information station" on the bloody dash. I want to know the time, the channel on the radio and thats IT!
There is at least 50kg gone already

Gobes32 · 04-10-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I don't see why the GT/P/E need more power. Its got tons of it now and the computer is limiting the power down low. Getting the power to the ground better will yield more. The drive line is done, now work on the rest of the vehicle.

Exactly, 335kw is more than enough, now focus on making it drive better.

Rodge · 05-10-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I don't see why the GT/P/E need more power. Its got tons of it now and the computer is limiting the power down low. Getting the power to the ground better will yield more. The drive line is done, now work on the rest of the vehicle.

I agree but it was the F6 310 which is what most of us were talking about in terms of needing / not needing a power upgrade. That's the one that will have had the same 310 output for four years by the time FG2 comes around.

flappist · 05-10-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

I agree but it was the F6 310 which is what most of us were talking about in terms of needing / not needing a power upgrade. That's the one that will have had the same 310 output for four years by the time FG2 comes around.

You mean the one that is quicker than everything the opposition sells?

Simple question, if the FG2 F6 had a 345kw badge would you sell your car and buy one?

The only effect a 310 badge will have is to devalue the 310s currently owned.

Or should the BF2 GT have a 351kw badge as well?

Rule #3: If it ain't broke don't fix it........

AMGC63 · 05-10-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

You mean the one that is quicker than everything the opposition sells?

Simple question, if the FG2 F6 had a 345kw badge would you sell your car and buy one?

The only effect a 345 badge will have is to devalue the 310s currently owned.

Or should the FG2 GT have a 351kw badge as well?

Rule #3: If it ain't broke don't fix it........

Exactly right.. There is no logical reason to change anything about the F6's (Or GT's) power output. The F6 is already faster than the HSV's and sitting nicely just below the GT range. Perfect product placement for FPV.

You'd be mad to change anything when you don't need to, in-fact changing things like badge numbers now might actually backfire on FPV and just force HSV to do something they have no current plans on doing..

vztrt · 05-10-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

I agree but it was the F6 310 which is what most of us were talking about in terms of needing / not needing a power upgrade. That's the one that will have had the same 310 output for four years by the time FG2 comes around.

I still say there are other parts of the car that I would rather see targeted by FPV then power output. If FPV cannot do more then just up the power on its cars then they might as well shut up shop.

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Originally Posted by Buttnekid

I actually cannot understand the reason for this not happening either across the board or as a handling option -

The fact that you think an after market supplier and FPV are the same shows why your posting on here and not working for FPV.

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Originally Posted by flappist

The brakes issue always amuses me. There is an upgraded option but very few actually buy it usually with some excuse that it is too expensive and they cand get brakes off "insert expert here" for $2.75 plus a slab.

Like other pieces of the car. Apparently tons of kw can be easily extracted and made emissions compliant because ABC performance can do it easily.....mind you when ABC performance stuff it up and internet 'expert' is angry cause FPV won't give them warranty then its FPV's fault.

**Polyal** · 04-10-2011, 11:13 AM

When you sit back and look at what the F6 has "cost" FPV I am sure they are very happy with the return.

The F6's progress will depend on how Ford tackle the V6 issue and whether or not the further investment is worth the numbers sold. I would hazard a guess and say not but who knows.

Would the F6 exist if Ford didnt have the XR6T, id say no. Alot of factors just fell into place and it just so happened to be perfect timing for FPV.

Have people not noticed the clear lack of marketing for the car? Does Allan Moffatt not like the F6? Its an inconvenient truth that it keep FPV relevant performance wise until Miami come around.

I hope the last of the F6's gets some serious R Spec treatment, it deserves it.

AMGC63 · 04-10-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

When you sit back and look at what the F6 has "cost" FPV I am sure they are very happy with the return.

The F6's progress will depend on how Ford tackle the V6 issue and whether or not the further investment is worth the numbers sold. I would hazard a guess and say not but who knows.

Would the F6 exist if Ford didnt have the XR6T, id say no. Alot of factors just fell into place and it just so happened to be perfect timing for FPV.

Have people not noticed the clear lack of marketing for the car? Does Allan Moffatt not like the F6? Its an inconvenient truth that it keep FPV relevant performance wise until Miami come around.

I hope the last of the F6's gets some serious R Spec treatment, it deserves it.

FPV know for every dollar they spend marketing the F6 they'd get 4 times the result marketing the GT.. They also need to get a return on the 40 mil... Makes sense to me to push the product most likely to get you the best return on your investment.

**Polyal** · 04-10-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AMGC63

FPV know for every dollar they spend marketing the F6 they'd get 4 times the result marketing the GT.. They also need to get a return on the 40 mil... Makes sense to me to push the product most likely to get you the best return on your investment.

In turn putting all your eggs in the one basket is not overly great either, and is not a model for growing a business.

B series GT is proof you do not need great product to sell a GT (thats an objective opinion, id happily own one).

Everyone talks about this 40M...they will be spreading that out for another 4 years so lets not get to precious about that, because I cant see another engine (V8) coming to FPV before 2016.

edit: I also hope Harry Kewells appointment is an attempt to attract younger people to the brand through the F6, thats where it should be IMO.

Then AM can talk about the grand old days with the GT crowd, all bases covered.

SteveJH · 04-10-2011, 11:31 AM

Putting all your eggs in the V8 basket particularly seems like a risk to me in this day and age.

AMGC63 · 04-10-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Putting all your eggs in the V8 basket particularly seems like a risk to me in this day and age.

Maybe some people just need to stop looking at it as "just a V8" and look at what it represents in terms of the latest and most upto date technology and performance that FPV offer.
Judging by its sales id same most consumers can, certainly HSV customers dont see too much of an issue with "just a V8"...

AMGC63 · 04-10-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

In turn putting all your eggs in the one basket is not overly great either, and is not a model for growing a business.

B series GT is proof you do not need great product to sell a GT (thats an objective opinion, id happily own one).

Everyone talks about this 40M...they will be spreading that out for another 4 years so lets not get to precious about that, because I cant see another engine (V8) coming to FPV before 2016.

edit: I also hope Harry Kewells appointment is an attempt to attract younger people to the brand through the F6, thats where it should be IMO.

Then AM can talk about the grand old days with the GT crowd, all bases covered.

Why cant FPV attract younger buyers to the GT range? The Miami engine is much newer technology and far more "high tech" than the F6 engine....

As you point out it makes sense to market the "newest tech" to attract the "younger crowd" too...