Vfacts November 2018

[jpd80]

As opposed to using it on a butt ugly Chinese SUV......

[jpd80]

Just on Endura 2.0 I-4 TCDI versus Territory 2.7 V6 TCDI, get a load of this

Territory 2.7 V6 TCDI.......140 Kw @ 4,000........440 @ 1,900
Endura 2.0 I-4 TCDI........140 Kw @ 3,500.........400 @ 2,000-3,000

Weight / Fuel Economy
Territory RWD.........2,038 Kg......Combined 8.2 l/100 km
Territory AWD.........2,102 Kg......Combined 9.0 l/100 km

Endura RWD...........1,976 Kg......Combined 6.7 l/100 km
Endura AWD...........2,038 Kg......Combined 6.7 l/100 km

While Endura is not as big as Territory it will be a great vehicle but, will people try it...

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

As opposed to using it on a butt ugly Chinese SUV......

That’s completely wrong ....

[arronm]

Yes completely wong

[jpd80]

I think it's a dreadful mish mash of styles

[FTE217]

It looks woeful !

[Sprintey]

The fawn of an Evoque sired by a champion stud RAV4

[buggerlugs]

Good lord, that is fugly.............

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's a damned shame that they didn't use the Territory name, that would have been money for jam..

That's what Holden thought Too, with the latest Commodore..

[jpd80]

And without the Commodore name, Holden would have sold a lot less Insignias.

There's quite a bit if sales cache locked up in the Territory name yet Ford go
and put it on a Chinese vehicles and give Edge a less than inspiring name...
That doesn't seem right.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Maybe, but it wouldn’t have been “right”.

I agree, But it would help them sell more, than introducing a less than inspiring name like Endura..

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And without the Commodore name, Holden would have sold a lot less Insignias.

There's quite a bit if sales cache locked up in the Territory name yet Ford go
and put it on a Chinese vehicles and give Edge a less than inspiring name...
That doesn't seem right.

Spoton!

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And without the Commodore name, Holden would have sold a lot less Insignias.

There's quite a bit if sales cache locked up in the Territory name yet Ford go
and put it on a Chinese vehicles and give Edge a less than inspiring name...
That doesn't seem right.

I guess I fall into that category, 3 Terry's thinking about next vehicle as our daughter will start learner driving next year and I'll hand one down to her...I used to head off to the local Ford dealer, hand over my options list, sign the sales contract and pay $1000 deposit...did it for 6 vehicles including the 3 Terry's...longest I took was 60mins because eftpos terminal was down and I sat down and had a coffee...the Endura in this powertrain spec doesn't raise much interest...I want better performance than the Terry in an SUV for my own next vehicle and for the first time I'm on Carsales comparing with other brands...Ford have a spec built in RHD not entertained for OZ and where are the motoring press asking questions like what you raise jpd80, vehicle name choice, powertrain specs..etc that we the actual buyers would like to have answered.

P.S. And before anyone chimes in saying wait a sec the Endura isn't out yet so don't bag it's performance...my comeback is I've watched every Youtube review of the US Edge ST V6 petrol, I know what the performance on the Territory is now, I have read up on some opposition vehicles and the Endura in tdi 140kW/440Nm spec is a let down when you factor in Ford Oz is going to charge a premium.

[jpd80]

I guess my frustration and that of others here is that Ford follows the UK formula too closely,
they need to understand that our market is somewhere between USA and UK, some EBs would be nice.

The 2.7 EB is an interesting engine, it offers easier performance than the 2.3 EB and
judging by the FE of 2.7 EB F150 to 2.3 EB Ranger, there's not really much in it.

You'd think with 2.0 EB Mondeo ebbing away, Ford would at least offer a 2.0 EB
or the 2.7 EB in Endura but they don't do either in RHD....

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I guess my frustration and that of others here is that Ford follows the UK formula too closely,
they need to understand that our market is somewhere between USA and UK, some EBs would be nice.

The 2.7 EB is an interesting engine, it offers easier performance than the 2.3 EB and
judging by the FE of 2.7 EB F150 to 2.3 EB Ranger, there's not really much in it.

You'd think with 2.0 EB Mondeo ebbing away, Ford would at least offer a 2.0 EB
or the 2.7 EB in Endura but they don't do either in RHD....

First local review: Caradvice
https://www.caradvice.com.au/712068/...iew-australia/

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

First local review: Caradvice
https://www.caradvice.com.au/712068/...iew-australia/

There are quite a few on line now.

Most of these are coming into the country in the next week or so.

It’s a shame that:

1. We don’t get the 2.7 Ecoboost like the ST in North America ( not available in RHD anywhere).

2. We get the lower spec Panther engine ( available in Europe in lower series vehicles ), and not the top Spec Bi-Turbo that is Standard in higher spec series there.

I think the Bi-Turbo not being offered here, may have something to do with it being the Raptor powertrain ( and the negative press for that product if it was offered here in Endura ) ?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I guess my frustration and that of others here is that Ford follows the UK formula too closely,
they need to understand that our market is somewhere between USA and UK, some EBs would be nice.

The 2.7 EB is an interesting engine, it offers easier performance than the 2.3 EB and
judging by the FE of 2.7 EB F150 to 2.3 EB Ranger, there's not really much in it.

You'd think with 2.0 EB Mondeo ebbing away, Ford would at least offer a 2.0 EB
or the 2.7 EB in Endura but they don't do either in RHD....

So so true. With Utes and we are more aligned to the USA as buyers, with passenger cars we tended to favour the better dynamics offered by euro vehicles (which our locally produced passengers cars did so well) and now have most Asian manufacturers comparing well in this regard. The Euro market has had to live with more congested cities, shorter average travelling distances, lower typical towing loads and higher fuel prices and so their vehicle choices have reflected this...we on the other hand, while having fuel rise (not as high) have come from a different buyer mindset and only the top end Euro SUV's or Jeep GC and a whole host of unavailable US models better match this in the larger sizes.

And one more very important point, a seven seater isn't always bought because you need to carry seven people all the time, it's bought because they tend to have more cargo space...

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

First local review: Caradvice
https://www.caradvice.com.au/712068/...iew-australia/

I now more informed

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

There are quite a few on line now.

Most of these are coming into the country in the next week or so.

It’s a shame that:

1. We don’t get the 2.7 Ecoboost like the ST in North America ( not available in RHD anywhere).

2. We get the lower spec Panther engine ( available in Europe in lower series vehicles ), and not the top Spec Bi-Turbo that is Standard in higher spec series there.

I think the Bi-Turbo not being offered here, may have something to do with it being the Raptor powertrain ( and the negative press for that product if it was offered here in Endura ) ?

Yep I would have bought one if we got the BI Turbo.



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[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

There are quite a few on line now.

Most of these are coming into the country in the next week or so.

It’s a shame that:

1. We don’t get the 2.7 Ecoboost like the ST in North America ( not available in RHD anywhere).

2. We get the lower spec Panther engine ( available in Europe in lower series vehicles ), and not the top Spec Bi-Turbo that is Standard in higher spec series there.

I think the Bi-Turbo not being offered here, may have something to do with it being the Raptor powertrain ( and the negative press for that product if it was offered here in Endura ) ?

I looked up the specs of UK Edge that's just been replaced, looks like there
was a 180 PS 400 nm 6MT version and a 210 PS 450 nm 6AT version.

Maybe Aust is using up the 180 PS engines? that 210 PS engine would have been nice
and in keeping with what competitors are offering torque wise.....

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I looked up the specs of UK Edge that's just been replaced, looks like there
was a 180 PS 400 nm 6MT version and a 210 PS 450 nm 6AT version.

Maybe Aust is using up the 180 PS engines? that 210 PS engine would have been nice
and in keeping with what competitors are offering torque wise.....

Australia get a retuned version of the Euro single Turbo Panther - Emissions regulations etc are different here as is the quality of diesel fuel.

There is an article out there with the Chief Program engineer mentioning that.

[kevino]

Just read the review of Endura on drive.com.au

Comes out as ordinary with the engine struggling for performance above 60.

That seems odd with 400nm of torque?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by kevino

Just read the review of Endura on drive.com.au

Comes out as ordinary with the engine struggling for performance above 60.

That seems odd with 400nm of torque?

Does seem odd when it has 400Nm from 2000-3000rpm and an 8 speed auto. At 60km/hr it would be just above idle when cruising

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I looked up the specs of UK Edge that's just been replaced, looks like there
was a 180 PS 400 nm 6MT version and a 210 PS 450 nm 6AT version.

Maybe Aust is using up the 180 PS engines? that 210 PS engine would have been nice
and in keeping with what competitors are offering torque wise.....

That's why I was thinking its the old engine, its the same specs.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

That's why I was thinking its the old engine, its the same specs.

But that older engine is still a Panther Ecoblue, not the real old 2.0 diesel you're thinking about.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

That's why I was thinking its the old engine, its the same specs.

It’s not, here is the article in GoAuto.

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/ford/...-18/76976.html

Strange if you ask me !

[Vesper Martini]

so all the articles I read about Eco blue were it was a new engine for transit & Ranger/everest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EcoBlue

yet articles like this state its been in use in the current Edge.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/e...-trim-for-2018

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

so all the articles I read about Eco blue were it was a new engine for transit & Ranger/everest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EcoBlue

yet articles like this state its been in use in the current Edge.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/e...-trim-for-2018

Bev, Wikipedia content is what some punter in the WWW types into it.

The autoexpress article is reporting out on the facts they have been given.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

so all the articles I read about Eco blue were it was a new engine for transit & Ranger/everest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EcoBlue

yet articles like this state its been in use in the current Edge.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/e...-trim-for-2018

Read further on your Wikipedia link and it mentions Edge
The Panthers ( Ecoblue) are replacing all of fords older 1.6 to 2.2
Be they PSA J/V engines or the truck / transit Pumas.

Remember Wikipedia articles are posted by people who may not know everything about full usage of Ecoblue, it’s not a definite source of information.

[Dr Smith]

As a matter of interest, Ford Aust has said they got feedback from Territory owners on things like using the same name on an imported vehicle, what type of future vehicle buyers would like, and so on...now I've owned quite a few Territory's and amongst my extended family a "small car yard" in numbers over the years and not one has been asked a thing from Ford on future product planning. Has anyone here been involved in this research. From memory the new car buyers survey that is sent out never covered these topics either and I've completed a few as well.