Aurion Delivers Best-in-class Power And Economy - Page 2

XR8-260 · 30-08-2006, 09:30 PM

Don't get too hyped up about the aurions impressive on paper consumption. It would probably be better than Holden and Ford but the actual consumption is often much different in the real world.

muzz · 30-08-2006, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

I must admit that I have always wondered this myself, "considering the World Auto Market Kings" (the Yanks!) had the biggest and baddest RWD cars in the world up to the 1980's, and as NASCAR and Drag Racing are at an all time high, I would of thought that the Yanks would of been the last ones standing. I never thought the masses would let FORD Chrysler and GM do this to their beloved passion for automobiles.

When you think about it I don’t think the big Cusso's and 55-57 Chevs would have had the same impact today as a FWD! Look at today’s Caddy, imagine a 59 Caddy as FWD. No wonder they drive SUV’s, look at the alternatives!

Funny how the high quality Euros have maintained the RWD setup through out the ages. Toyota has recognised this as it was no accident that the (Toyota) Lexus was designed as RWD to compete against them. That said how does Toyota (or anyone else for that matter) still expect to compete against large RWD Aussie cars with their large FWD car then?

Very OT, you may already know but the Cadillac ElDorado from 67 til 71 (I think) was FWD. So was the Toronado - Jay Leno converted his to RWD.

Bossxr8 · 31-08-2006, 06:06 PM

So the Aurion uses the exact same amount of fuel as the Camry auto. Both 9.9l per 100. I'd like to see how Toyota marketing can explain how a 200kw 3.5 V6 can use the same amount of fuel as a 2.4 litre 4 cylinder. Proves how bad the fuel consumption of the Camry really is.

05MkIIFutura · 30-09-2006, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

Funny how the high quality Euros have maintained the RWD setup through out the ages. Toyota has recognised this as it was no accident that the (Toyota) Lexus was designed as RWD to compete against them. That said how does Toyota (or anyone else for that matter) still expect to compete against large RWD Aussie cars with their large FWD car then?

Ha ha ha, when you use Ford Falcon and high-quality Euros in the same sentence you sound silly. I believe you are slightly over-rating the aussie sixes.

Probable be better to use "5 and 7 series BMW's" with "high-quality Euros" and "Ford Falcon" with "cheap as chips Aussie fleet car" > which leads to the reason that a front wheel drive large sedan is able to compete.

Ha ha ha i am still laughing at that post

05MkIIFutura · 30-09-2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So the Aurion uses the exact same amount of fuel as the Camry auto. Both 9.9l per 100. I'd like to see how Toyota marketing can explain how a 200kw 3.5 V6 can use the same amount of fuel as a 2.4 litre 4 cylinder. Proves how bad the fuel consumption of the Camry really is.

Remember that these tests are done over a range of conditions. The 2.4litre would smash the 3.5 in metro driving but it would be reversed on the open road, so it averages out.

McobraR · 30-09-2006, 03:54 PM

Just wanted to say that aussies do NOT prefer RWD. only enthusiasts

Full Spectrum · 30-09-2006, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

Ha ha ha, when you use Ford Falcon and high-quality Euros in the same sentence you sound silly. I believe you are slightly over-rating the aussie sixes.

Probable be better to use "5 and 7 series BMW's" with "high-quality Euros" and "Ford Falcon" with "cheap as chips Aussie fleet car" > which leads to the reason that a front wheel drive large sedan is able to compete.

Ha ha ha i am still laughing at that post

No we do alright we give them a go

Fairlane · 01-10-2006, 10:03 AM

I think we are lucky in a way that the Aurion is FWD, because if it was RWD, the Falcon and 380 would probably be dead as a dodo. No offence people, but i find that Toyota quality snots all over Holden and Ford (not so much Mitsu).

It will no doubt be a decent enough car and considering that there will be no wagon, ute / awd crossover variants the sales figures will be impressive. Probably on par with 380, perhaps more; i expect around 1500 a month.

As for the fuel economy figures, iam inclined to believe them, but i wouldnt worry, BF Falcon with 6 speed pulls similiar figures and so im certain will ORION.

01-10-2006, 10:12 AM

Quote:

QualityCounts

Ahh.. I see the Toymotor PR department strikes again.

Tell us the truth, you work at Toyota right?

Most of your posts constantly plug Toyota products:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...085#post952085

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...223#post945223

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...722#post922722

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...985#post809985

And they are only ones I didn't have to look hard for.

colossus · 01-10-2006, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RATT

Ahh.. I see the Toymotor PR department strikes again.

Tell us the truth, you work at Toyota right?

Most of your posts constantly plug Toyota products:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...085#post952085

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...223#post945223

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...722#post922722

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...985#post809985

And they are only ones I didn't have to look hard for.

And you work for a Ford dealer - bit hypocritical perhaps?

I used to work for Ford, currently own a BA Falcon and still love my Fords but will freely admit that the quality of the Japanese makes is far superior to ours. Why keep our head in the sand - if we can get the quality right everything else about our cars is superior to the Japanese offerings. Pig headed attitudes of Toyota quality myths will forever keep us in denial.

01-10-2006, 11:04 AM

Yep I work for a Ford dealer, duh. No hypocricy from me mate. It's just that I don't go to Holden or Toyota forums and brag about Territory etc do I???

My head has never been in the sand, I call it as I see it. You can read my post history to see this.

AUIII XR8 MAN · 01-10-2006, 04:55 PM

I guess trying to use all of that 200kw at the front wheels would be driving a shopping trolley with 4 wheels going in 8 drifferent direction at once. Will just have to wait & see just how well it performs when it is release.

Full Spectrum · 01-10-2006, 05:04 PM

Well i don't work for holden or ford but think Toyota quality is a touch overrated, Simple because it's called the best! When it's far from that, Of the 3-4 Toyota cars i have driven in the past 15 months they don't seem to scream I'm better built then anything you have ever driven. These cars are Camry Corolla Avalon.
They have cheap plastic like everyone else, They have cheap looking interior like everyone else, they have shitty brakes with ABS like no everyone else. And no balls power.
There is nothing that tells me they do anything a lot better then anyone else, They crumble in crashes just like all cars they sit on the side of the road they get taken home on the truck and get recalls.
There high reputation can allow them to laps a touch think about it.

05MkIIFutura · 01-10-2006, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RATT

Ahh.. I see the Toymotor PR department strikes again.

Tell us the truth, you work at Toyota right?

Most of your posts constantly plug Toyota products:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...085#post952085

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...223#post945223

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...722#post922722

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...985#post809985

And they are only ones I didn't have to look hard for.

Just because someone consistently shares a view across the whole forum does not make the the "Toyota PR Department"

I also agree that Toyota's are engineered far beyond the Commodores and Falcons (the fact that they make 10 of these for every falcon/commodore gives them a whopping budget), and I also own a Falcon, which i bought on its merits (size, power, and cost). I dont really care if they break down cause i only own them under warranty and on lease. If i were to have a 2nd "around-town" car, it would almost definately be a Toyota.

Stop shooting peoples opinions down just because it doesnt fit into the ethos of this traditions-based forum, the idea of open discussion is that everyones ideas are heard in a logical and fair way. There is absolutely no need for bickering.

brodfloyd · 01-10-2006, 11:17 PM

class leading power my arrrsssse, they get the 200kw on 98 octane fuel when you read the fine print, probably where they get the economy reading too. last time i checked all ford figures came from 91 octane pig swill that most ppl put in there non performance cars.

i hate toyota, and hippies
toyota more.

McobraR · 01-10-2006, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodfloyd

class leading power my arrrsssse, they get the 200kw on 98 octane fuel when you read the fine print, probably where they get the economy reading too. last time i checked all ford figures came from 91 octane pig swill that most ppl put in there non performance cars.

i hate toyota, and hippies
toyota more.

Im pretty sure the 200kw is achieved through regular unleaded petrol(91RON), 204kw is achieved with premium 95RON

brodfloyd · 01-10-2006, 11:27 PM

who cares its a toyota

McobraR · 01-10-2006, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodfloyd

who cares its a toyota

Dont know why u like bagging toyota, they arent number 1 in australia for no reason, they're good and reliable, and thats what matters to most people. in the end, you better be careful, if Ford and GM continue to lose money, who knows, maybe toyota will buy them out :hihi:

brodfloyd · 01-10-2006, 11:37 PM

being rich and successful doesnt make you good, eg nazi germany

and toyota could never buy ford or gm, the revolution that would cause would have blood flowing down every street in every town

McobraR · 01-10-2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodfloyd

being rich and successful doesnt make you good, eg nazi germany

and toyota could never buy ford or gm, the revolution that would cause would have blood flowing down every street in every town

True, but being rich and successful means you wont go backrupt and can continue to bring out cars. And how the heck can you compare toyota with nazi germany?

: man u really do have a grudge over toyota dont ya lol

You never know.

monaroCountry · 01-10-2006, 11:57 PM

Toyota out of the big 3 Aussies (Ford and Holden) earned a measly $56mil last year (a loss), even though they sold more cars. Both Ford and Holden earned more $$$$$.

monaroCountry · 02-10-2006, 12:00 AM

Toyota Camry also drinks more than the new Holden midsize tosca and around the same amount of power. Even the more powerful (and technologically better) Ford I6 4L drinks around the same amount as the Camry (Camry is the worst in its class). Aurion numbers are all Toyota PR at this stage, think back on the Toyota PR garbage for the Camry........fuel consumption were untrue.

Full Spectrum · 02-10-2006, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

Toyota out of the big 3 Aussies (Ford and Holden) earned a measly $56mil last year (a loss), even though they sold more cars. Both Ford and Holden earned more $$$$$.

Thats why they sell, They know they have big profits world wide and to them being number 1 is all that matters. And they build them cheaper and cut some profits to succeed.

McobraR · 02-10-2006, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

Toyota out of the big 3 Aussies (Ford and Holden) earned a measly $56mil last year (a loss), even though they sold more cars. Both Ford and Holden earned more $$$$$.

But how about worldwide, as long as the toyota is earning money, we can expect to see more toyotas in the future. Cant be said about Ford and GM, though im hoping thats not the case.

Fordoldie · 02-10-2006, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McobraR

But how about worldwide, as long as the toyota is earning money, we can expect to see more toyotas in the future. Cant be said about Ford and GM, though im hoping thats not the case.

Toyota stocks have fallen, as have their profits world wide.

There are many goings on behind the scenes in Toyota. They have been very successful in copying other's designs and then beating them in the market. It's a Japanese philosophy in manufacturing.
As always the PR hype is normally over-rated unlike local car makers who are reasonably conservative so too soon to tell.
Take the reason for this thread - Toyota marketing excellence having people believe something before it becomes (or fails to become) reality.

What they dont give us is the truth about crash safety and the uselessness of high power FWD - only up to 170-180kw is useful depending on weight as the rest is killed off by traction control due to POOR traction in high power FWD platforms.
For those FWD fans who dont understand - think about this: Why dont drag cars have FWD?????????????????
Dont get me wrong I'm not knocking FWD I bought one for the wife. But they do have their limitations as well as their strengths

jonbays · 02-10-2006, 08:48 AM

Its a great world car but won't suit aussies. That much power in a fwd car will be tamed by TC to be useless in our traffic light grand prix 110K speed limited freeway country to be less than effective. who cares if you have 200kw that you cant get to use till you are over the speed limit? Do a little hillclimb in any magna or camry and they are truly useless you can almsost roll backwards downhill in the big switchbacks needing momentum to get you through as the inside front wheel unloads all the power.

No toyota for me no mitsubishi not just cause of WW2 either Mazda Honda and Nissan do impress me with their RX8, Accord euro and 350Z.

02-10-2006, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

Just because someone consistently shares a view across the whole forum does not make the the "Toyota PR Department"

I also agree that Toyota's are engineered far beyond the Commodores and Falcons (the fact that they make 10 of these for every falcon/commodore gives them a whopping budget), and I also own a Falcon, which i bought on its merits (size, power, and cost). I dont really care if they break down cause i only own them under warranty and on lease. If i were to have a 2nd "around-town" car, it would almost definately be a Toyota.

Stop shooting peoples opinions down just because it doesnt fit into the ethos of this traditions-based forum, the idea of open discussion is that everyones ideas are heard in a logical and fair way. There is absolutely no need for bickering.

I am not bickering. What this member does on this forum is well known.
So you're happy shooting my opinion down??

02-10-2006, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

Toyota out of the big 3 Aussies (Ford and Holden) earned a measly $56mil last year (a loss), even though they sold more cars. Both Ford and Holden earned more $$$$$

This is proven by their ability to shoot themselves in the foot by constantly selling at a loss. Toyota dealers are going broke as a result.

McobraR · 02-10-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fordoldie

Toyota stocks have fallen, as have their profits world wide.

All searches ive found say toyota profits have increased, and that in worldwide sales, they could overtake GM in a few years. But lets say their profits have fallen down abit... at least they're making some, Ford could really use some of that.
In the end, i believe toyota has worked hard to get where they are, yes their cars arent that fun to drive and are abit cheap, but they are reliable and well built... the things that majority of people look for.
All credit when its due i say.

The Stylist · 02-10-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RATT

I am not bickering. What this member does on this forum is well known.

I agree with RATT on this. In context this is a FORD forum, not a Toyota forum. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people coming here that align themselves with other carmakers, but when most of their posts resemble the Toyota PR machine it starts to get a bit annoying.